Varchapet Nikol Phashinyany harcazruyc e tvel germanakan ARD herustaaliqin։ Harcazruycy nerkayacvum e storev.

ARD - Paron Phashinyan, shnorhakalutyun harcazruyci hnaravorutyan hamar։ Erb Duq 2018 tvakanin zhoghovrdavarakan boghoqi sharzhman mijocov xaghagh ishxanaphoxutyan hasaq, hnaravor hamarum eiq, vor erku tari anc paterazm kbrnkver:

Varchapet Nikol Phashinyan – Irakanum, erb es derevs xorhrdarani patgamavor ei: 2016 kam guce 2017 tvakann er, es ayn zhamanak kanxatesel em, vor paterazmn anxusapheli e: Inchu: Vorovhetev paterazmn Adrbejani npatakn e eghel misht: Inchu e paterazmy npatak eghel Adrbejani hamar: Vorovhetev na patrast chi eghel Gharabaghi harci phoxzijumayin lucman: Vorovhetev phoxzijum nshanakum e, vor du petq e voroshaki hetqayl anes qo maqsimal nshadzoghic:

Ayn, vor Adrbejany patrast che phoxzijman ev chi eghel, sra amenavar apacuycy 2011 tvakani Kazani procesn e։ Erb, yst eutyan, seghanin er drvac mi phastatught, vorov haykakan koghmy hamadzaynvel er handznel 5 adrbejanakan shrjanner: ayn bani dimac, vor Lernayin Gharabaghy kstana mijankyal kargavitchak, vory hetagayum koroshakiacvi hanraqvei kam plebisciti mijocov: Ev da eakan zijum er haykakan koghmic, vorovhetev shat anoroshutyunner er parunakum Lernayin Gharabaghi hayeri anvtangutyan hamar: Bayc haykakan koghmy gnacel er ayd qaylin, ev phastatughty banakcvac, patrast er։ Verjin pahin Adrbejany hrazharvec storagrel ayd phastatughty:

Ev sa ughghaki voch te arandzin drvag e, ayl metodabanutyun: Vorovhetev ayn, inch phoxzijumayin tramabanutyan janqi ardyunqum sksum e ynduneli darnal Hayastani, Gharabaghi hamar, henc nuyn pahin sksum e anynduneli darnal Adrbejani hamar, ev na sharunakum e koshtacnel ir dirqoroshumy: Sa adrbejanakan banadzevn e eghel misht, ev Adrbejany misht patrastvel e razmakan tchanaparhov lucel Gharabaghi harcy:

Bayc 2020 tvakani hulisin Hayastan-Adrbejan sahmanin teghi unecav sadranq: Ayd sadranqi hetevanqov Adrbejany haskacav, vor ir zinvac uzhern i vitchaki chen lucel Gharabaghi harcy: Dra hamar na stipvac er dimel vardzkanneri ev ahabekichneri ognutyany: Ev inch teghi unecav: Ogostosic: Turqiayi hskoghutyan tak gtnvogh siriakan taracqneric zoravarzhutyunneri anvan nerqo vardzkanner ev ahabekichner, mec tvov turqakan razmakan texnika, masnagetner, zinvorakanner teghaphoxvecin Adrbejan, voronq dzernarkecin miasnabar hardzakum Adrbejani koghmic Lernayin Gharabaghi dem:

ARD – I tarberutyun Hayastani naxord erku ghekavarner Sargsyani ev Qocharyani: Duq Gharabaghic cheq։ Inchpes kmeknabaneq Dzer: «Gharabaghy Hayastany e ev verj» haytararutyuny, vorn Adrbejani koghmic ynkalvec vorpes sadranq:

Varchapet Nikol Phashinyan - Da kapvac e Gharabaghi harci patmutyan het: Cavoq, mijazgayin hanrutyuny mi «iqs» pahic korcrel e Gharabaghi harci bovandakutyan veraberyal informacian: Minchder zhamanakin, erb Gharabaghi harcy cagum er, Evropayum ev ashxarhum ayn ditarkvum er vorpes Xorhrdayin miutyan zhoghovrdavaracman drsevorum, vori ardyunqum phluzvec Berlini paty: Isk Gharabaghi harcy cagel e 1988 tvakanic, erb Xorhrdayin miutyunum teghi er unenum gorbachovyan verakarucman ev zhoghovrdavaracman gorcyntacy: Ev Gharabaghi hayutyuny, vory misht eghel e Lernayin Gharabaghi inqnavar marzi bnakchutyan 80 ev aveli tokosy, voroshec ogtvel zhoghovrdavaracman yndzerac hnaravorutyunneric ev verakangnel ir xaxtvac iravunqy: Ynd vorum: miangamayn xaghagh qaghaqakan payqari eghanakov:

Inch iravunqi masin e xosqy: Naxord dari 20-akan tvakannerin Xorhrdayin miutyan dzevavorman gorcyntacum 80 ev aveli tokos hay bnakchutyun unecogh Lernayin Gharabaghy trvec voch te Xorhrdayin Hayastanin, ayl yndgrkvec Xorhrdayin Adrbejani kazmum: 1988 tvakanin Lernayin Gharabaghi inqnavar marzi Geraguyn Xorhurdn yndunec Xorhrdayin Hayastani het veramiavorvelu veraberyal voroshum, vorn ir legitim iravunqn er: Nman voroshum yndunec naev Hayastani Geraguyn xorhurdy: Ays bacardzakapes xaghagh, aranc zenqi qaghaqakan voroshumnerin Xorhrdayin miutyuny ev Adrbejany patasxanecin brnutyamb: nax Sumgayitum, apa ev Baqvum hayeri jarder kazmakerpelov:

Ev ardyoq Lernayin Gharabaghy Hayastan e։ Hayastan nshanakum e erkir, vortegh aprum en hayery: hayeri erkir: Nranq, vovqer eghel en Lernayin Gharabaghum: ktesnen 5-rd dari, hetaga dareri haykakan ekegheciner: Arajin haykakan dprocy eghel e Lernayin Gharabaghum, ev Lernayin Gharabaghi bnakchutyuny 80 ev aveli tokosov misht eghel en hayer: Ete sa provokacia e, henc sa e amboghj xndiry։ Phasty, vor Lernayin Gharabaghum aprum en hayer, Adrbejany misht hamarel e «provokacia»: dimelov agresiv gorcoghutyunneri, hrtirakocelov bnakavayrery։ Nranq payqarum en ayd «provokaciayi» dem:

Yndhanrapes Dzez asem: hnaravor e, vor hayeri goyutyunn inqnin ditvum e «provokacia» vorosh erkrneri koghmic, ayd tvum: Turqiayi, vortegh 1915 tvakanin Osmanyan kaysrutyunum teghi e unecel Hayoc ceghaspanutyuny, ev hskayakan taracqner hayataphvel en ceghaspanutyan mijocov: Im gnahatakann ayn e, vor Turqian 100 tari anc veradardzel e Haravayin Kovkas, vorpeszi ayd gorcoghutyuny sharunaki:

Bayc sa arandzin vercrac zut yndameny hakahay emocional gorcuneutyun che, ayl, im hamozmamb, turqakan eqspansionistakan, kayserakan qaghaqakanutyan drsevorum, vorovhetev Haravayin Kovkasi hayery verjin xochyndotn en Turqiayi hamar: sharunakelu ayd eqspansian depi hyusis, depi arevelq, depi harav-arevelq: Es nayum em sa ayn qaghaqakanutyan konteqstum, vor Turqian varum e Mijerkrakan covum, Siriayum, Iraqum, Hunastani, Kiprosi het haraberutyunnerum: Ev ayn drsrevorumneri hamateqstum, vor Turqiayi qajalermamb menq tesnum enq Evropayum:

ARD - Erb Duq ynddimadir eiq, dem eiq artahaytvum Evrasiakan miutyany Hayastani andamakcelun։ Arden 2018 tvakani cuyceri zhamanak Duq dzgtum eiq kapi mej mtnel Moskvayi het։ Inchpes kmeknabaneq Dzer dirqoroshumy: vorpes evropamet, te rusamet:

Varchapet Nikol Phashinyan – Ayo, es dem em qvearkel Hayastani: Evrasiakan tntesakan miutyann andamagrvelun, bayc im xorhrdaranakan gorcuneutyan mej eghel e drvag, erb dem em qvearkel naev Hayastany Evrasiakan tntesakan miutyan kazmic durs galu gorcyntacin:

Ev heghaphoxutyan yntacqum el mer zhoghovrdi het voroshel enq, vor heghaphoxutyunic heto ashxarhaqaghaqakan shrjadardzer teghi chen unenalu: Da mer havaqakan voroshman ardyunqn e։ Ev shat karevor e ardzanagrel, vor artaqin qaghaqakanutyan mej ktruk shrjadardzery karogh en shat vtangavor linel:

Ev menq, ayo, aysor Evrasiakan tntesakan miutyan andam enq։ Naxord tari Hayastany naxagahum er, es andzamb naxagahum ei Evrasiakan tntesakan miutyan marminnerum։ Ev Evrasiakan tntesakan miutyan naxagahutyuny bavakan ardyunavet stacvec։ Menq mi sharq nor paymanagrer knqecinq: Bayc menq hamagorcakcum enq naev Evramiutyan het, ev mer zhoghovrdavarakan orakargn amenevin chi phoxvel:

ARD - Duq parberabar kapi mej eq Rusastani Dashnutyan naxagah Vladimir Putini het: Inch konkret ajakcutyun eq aknkalum Rusastanic:

Varchapet Nikol Phashinyan - Ayn ajakcutuny, vor menq aknkalum enq Rusastanic, menq stanum enq ev chunenq voreve verapahum Hayastani nkatmamb Rusastani anvtangayin ev dashnakcayin partavorutyunneri katarman voraki veraberyal: Bayc, myus koghmic, haskanum enq, vor Rusastany nax EAHK Minski xmbi hamanaxagah erkir e, vorn uni voroshaki chezoqutyan partavorutyun Lernayin Gharabaghi harcum։ Ev vory naev lav haraberutyunner uni Adrbejani het: Sa, iharke, ayqan el parz iravitchak che, bayc menq goh enq Hayastani nkatmamb Rusastani unecac partavorutyunneri katarman vorakic:

ARD – Inchpes eq verabervum Lernayin Gharabaghum rusakan xaghaghapahneri teghakaymany:

Varchapet Nikol Phashinyan – Da karevor harceric mekn e։ Es asel em, vor mez hamar ynduneli e rusakan xaghaghapahneri teghakayumy։ Ev aystegh harcy voch aynqan ev voch miayn qaghaqakan e, aylev praktik, vorovhetev nax Rusastany nerka e taracashrjanum: Aysinqn: xaghaghapahner entadrum e operativ ardzaganq, ev Rusastany nerka e taracashrjanum, Rusastany giti taracashrjany։ Yndhup karogh em xosel lezvakan, komunikacion xndirneri masin, vor entadrenq, ayo, gaghapharner kan, vor amenatarber erkrneric karogh en xaghaghapahner linel taracashrjanum: sksac lezvakan haghordakcutyunic ev taracashrjann u mentalitetn imanalu nrbutyunneric: Menq sharunakum enq karcel, vor rusakan xaghaghapahneri gorcuneutyuny karogh e amenardyunavety linel ayd arumov:

ARD - Adrbejany, hakaraky, arajarkum e teghakayel turq xaghaghapahner: Hamadzayn klineq dra het։

Varchapet Nikol Phashinyan – Bayc, giteq, Turqian, arden asaci, taracashrjan ahabekichner ev vardzkanner berogh erkir e։ Ev dzhvar e patkeracnel ays derakatarumn unecogh erkri voreve xaghagh, aravelevs: xaghagharar kam xaghaghapah gorcyntacy:

ARD – Inchpes kmeknabaneq Gyanjayi ev Bardayi rmbakocumy ev kasetayin rumberi ogtagorcumy։

Varchapet Nikol Phashinyan – Nax uzum em mi ayspisi phasti masin xosel, erb inch-or paytyuner en teghi unenum adrbejanakan qaghaqnerum, Adrbejani karavarutyunn ayntegh havatarmagrvac despannerin, naev lragroghnerin ughekcum e depqi vayr ev cuyc e talis: Bayc voch mi divanagitakan nerkayacucich Stephanakertum, Martakertum, Martunium, Askeranum chi eghel: Gharabaghi qaghaqneri masin em xosum, ayl gyugheri masin chem xosum ev chi tesel, te inch e katarvum ayntegh: Mijazgayin lragroghnery nuynpes shat dzhvarutyamb en aycelum ayntegh, bayc aysor ayd qaghaqnery kisaver vitchakum en: Inch veraberum e adrbejanakan qaghaqnerin, cankanum em asel, vor nax Lernayin Gharabaghi qaghaqneri sharunakabar rmbakocumy voch mi mijazgayin ardzaganqi chi arzhanacel, voch mi: Voreve meky nuynisk chi phordzel da dadarecnel, isk Lernayin Gharabaghi Pashtpanutyan banaky, naev unenalov legitim, razmakan tiraxner vorosh bnakavayrerum kam merdzakayqerum, hascrel e patasxan harvacner:

ARD – Bayc inchu e Bardan kasetayin rumberov rmbakocvel։ «Human Rights Watch»-y vorosh apacuycner e haytnaberel:

Varchapet Nikol Phashinyan - Stephanakertum chen zohvel qaghaqaciakan andzinq:

ARD – Es kcankanayi Dzez Gyanjayi ev Bardayi masin harcnel։

Varchapet Nikol Phashinyan – Aysinqn: mez petq e ughghaki bacatrutyun, te inchu en qaghaqaciakan andzinq mahanum: Ete Stephanakertum, Martakertum ev Martunium qaghaqaciakan andzanc veraberyal bacatrutyuny Dzez bavararec, uremn nuyn bacatrutyunn e։ Vorovhetev tarberutyun chka: qaghaqaciakan andzinq vortegh en mahanum: Ete bacatrutyuny Stephanakerti depqum Dzez bavararum e, uremn da petq e vorpes formula ashxarhi cankacac qaghaqum qaghaqaciakan andzanc mahanalu veraberyal bavarari: Ete bacatrutyuny Stephanakerti depqum Dzez bavararum e, indz, orinak, chi bavararum:

ARD – Erku koghmic el qaghaqaciakan andzinq en zohvum։ Ardyoq da chpetq e kangnecvi։

Varchapet Nikol Phashinyan – Vov e vitchum dra het: Voch voq chi vitchum dra het։ Hamenayndeps: Lernayin Gharabaghum ev Hayastanum: Bayc ekeq nayenq vitchakagrutyuny, ekeq nayenq zhamanakagrutyuny:

ARD – Verjin angam Adrbejani naxagah Alievi het handipeciq Myunxenum: Anvtangutyan hamazhoghovi shrjanakum: Voronq en Dzer paymannery: Adrbejani het lurj banakcutyunneri hamar:

Varchapet Nikol Phashinyan - Paterazmi paymannerum xosel banakcutyunneri masin normal e, bayc iratesakan che: Yst eutyan, banakcutyunneri paymannery qnnarkvel en ev hamadzaynecvel hoktemberi 10-i: Moskvayi haytararutyan mej, vory verahastatvel e hetagayum evs: Moskvayi haytararutyunn yndunvec Rusastani naxagahi mijnordutyamb: Aynuhetev Fransiayi, Miacyal Nahangneri naxagahneri mijnordutyamb verahastatvec, ev ayntegh hstak grvac e cragiry: yst eutyan, hamadzaynecvac: Nkati unem, ete kan hamadzaynecvac keter, inch imast uni meky myusin paymanner arajadrely, vorovhetev i verjo da hamategh e yndunvel: Aysinqn, aylevs paymanner arajadrelu kariq chka: Paymannern ayntegh dzevakerpvac en, ev ayd paymannery menq hamarel enq ynduneli:

ARD – Dzer karciqov: EAHK Minski xumby derevs tchisht dzevachaph e lucum gtnelu hamar:

Varchapet Nikol Phashinyan – Ayo, iharke: Menq karcum enq, vor da miak dzevachaphn e, vortegh karogh e ayd harcy qnnarkvel ev voroshvel: Inchy chi nshanakum, vor mijazgayin hanrutyuny chpetq e ajakci Minski xmbi hamanaxagahutyany: Iharke, mijazgayin hanrutyuny petq e ajakci, bayc qnnarkumneri dzevachaphy henc da e:

ARD – Inch eq karcum: inch petq e EM-n ani։ Ardyoq EM-n petq e xaghaghapahner ugharki:

Varchapet Nikol Phashinyan – Es xaghaghapahneri het kapvac harcin arden patasxaneci։ Menq petq e hashvi arnenq naev taracashrjani ayl petutyunneri dirqoroshumnery: Petq e aynpes anenq, vor xaghaghapahnern iroq kayunutyun ev voch te ankayunutyun, anhangstutyunner araj beren: Karcum em: rusakan xaghaghapahnern amenaharmar ev tchisht derakatarnern en ays procesi yntacqum:

Inch veraberum e EM-in, es arden bazmics asel em, bazmativ harcazruycnerum artahaytel em im karciqy, vor Evramiutyunn, ayo, karogh e ajakcel procesin: hstak ardzanagrelov, te vov e eghel ays paterazmi naxadzernoghy, hstak ardzanagrelov taracashrjan vardzkanneri teghaphoxman phasty: I dep, menq arden erku vardzkan unenq, voronq gerevarvel en Gharabaghi Pashtpanutyan banaki koghmic, ev nranq irenc cucmunqnerum hstak i cuyc en dnum, te inch proces e teghi unecel։ Sa shat karevor bovandakayin koghm e:

Orinak, ayd vardzkanneric mekn uni chorrord dasarani krtutyun, myusy vardzkann yndhanrapes graget che, aysinqn: voch kardal, voch grel chgiti: Ayd mardik bervel en Siriayum Turqiayi verahskoghutyan tak gtnvogh taracqneric: Yst eutyan: krtakan cenz, tarer chimacogh mardkanc en berum, nranc inch-or arzheqner en nerarkum, nershnchum en, vor aha aystegh aprum en tshnaminer:

Imijiayloc, aystegh shat hetaqrqir mi ban ka: Cankanum em zugaherner anckacnel։ Cankanum em bolors ardzanagrenq, vor Turqian Siriayum ir hskoghutyan tak gtnvogh taracqneric ays mardkanc havaqagrum e, teghaphoxum e ir taracq, heto Turqiayic teghaphoxum en Adrbejan, heto teghaphoxum en Lernayin Gharabaghi martakan gorcoghutyunneri goti։ Nranc xostanum en amsakan 2000 AMN dolar ev, shat karevor e: pargevavtchar nranc hamar, vovqer kktren «anhavatneri» gluxnery: amen glxi hamar 100 AMN dolar: Voch mi nmanutyun cheq tesnum voreve ayl teghum teghi unecogh voch mi iradardzutyan het:

Ays e pattchary, vor, im gnahatmamb, hima sksvel e errord hamashxarhayin paterazm, vory hibridayin paterazm e։ Ayn cavalvum e bolor ughghutyunnerov: Ayd paterazmy havasarapes ughghvac e qristonyaneri dem, mahmedakanneri dem, hudayakanneri dem: Cankanum em parzabanel te inchu em hamarum, vor naev musulmanneri dem e ughghvac։ Vorovhetev nax musulmanneri sxal kerpar e steghcvum amboghj ashxarhum ev erkrordy: krtutyun chunecogh, tarery chtchanachogh ev hamapatasxan, togh nervi indz, shat negh ev teghayin ashxarhayacq unecogh mardkanc angragitutyunn ogtagorcvum e negh qaghaqakan, konkret qaghaqakan npatakneri hamar։ Ev menq gitenq, te vov e kazmakerpum da: Menq ayd nuyn erevuyti artahaytutyuny tesnum enq Lernayin Gharabaghum։ Nuyn erevuyti artahaytutyuny tesnum enq Viennayum, Kanadayum, Fransiayum։

Ev nuyn erevuyti artahaytutyuny tesnum enq Rusastanum: mi phoqr ayl drsevorumnerov: Menq ays verjin mek amsva yntacqum mi qani haghordagrutyunner tesanq Hyusisayin Kovkasum ahabekchakan xmberi gorcuneutyan masin, voronq Rusastani iravapahneri koghmic efektiv kerpov vochnchacvecin: Ev, imijiayloc, shat karevor e: sa evs apacucum e, vor ays paterazmy havasarabar ughghvac e naev musulmanneri dem, vorovhetev menq tesnum enq arabakan mi sharq erkrneri shat arzheqavor ardzaganqy teghi unecoghin։

Menq tesnum enq Irani Islamakan Hanrapetutyan shat arzheqavor ardzaganqy teghi unecoghin։ Vorovhetev ays mardkanc nerkayutyuny mer taracashrjanum nuynpisi sparnaliq e hamarum ir anvtangutyann Irani Islamakan Hanrapetutyuny, nuynpisi sparnaliq en hamarum irenc hamar bazmativ arabakan erkrner:

ARD – Ardyoq Irany petq e aveli mec der xagha ays gorcyntacum։

Varchapet Nikol Phashinyan – Giteq, Irany mer ev Adrbejani harevan erkirn e: Bnakanabar, hetaqrqrvac e ev anhangstacac procesov: Es arden asaci: mer dirqoroshumn ayn e, vor EAHK Minski xmbi hamanaxagahutyunn e ayn dzevachaphy, vortegh petq e qnnarkvi Gharabaghi harcy։ Bayc da chi nshanakum, vor mijazgayin hanrutyuny chpetq e ajakci EAHK Minski xmbi hamanaxagahutyany:

ARD – Im verjin harcy։ Dzer karavarutyunn ishxanutyan e ekel barephoxumner irakanacnelu ev korupciayi dem payqarelu xostumov: Da der hnaravor e:

Varchapet Nikol Phashinyan – Hima aveli e srvel ayd pahanjarky: Goh em ardyoq es ayn ardyunqneric, voronq menq ardzanagrel enq korupciayi dem payqarum: Voch, goh chem։ Bayc naev gitem: inchu menq bavarar chaphov ardyunavet chenq eghel։ Vorovhetev, yst eutyan, 20 ev aveli tariner korupcion irakanutyan mej dzevavorvac hamakargery, mexanizmnery karucvel en korupcian pashtpanelu hamar:

Ev, ayo, ayn karucakargery, vor kan, menq anyndhat tesel enq, vor mez xangarum en: korupciayi dem efektiv payqar mghelu, talanvac phogheri veradardzin bavarar temp apahovelu hamar: Bayc, mievnuyn e, menq voroshel enq, vor chenq gna orenqic durs tchanaparhov։ Menq kgnanq ays hamakargy ev orensdrutyuny barelavelu, barephoxelu tchanaparhov, inchy procesy haskanalioren erkaracnum e:

Karcum em: hanrutyan shrjanum dzevavorvel e korupciayi dem payqari ynkalumy, vorovhetev mardik ays yntacqum tesnum en harcer, voronq shat erkar tarineri yntacqum chen lucvel։ Ev nranc gnahatakany hima mianshanak e, vor dranq chen lucvel korupciayi pattcharov: Hayastany chuni aylyntranq։ Ayo, menq petq e payqarenq korupciayi dem։ Menq petq e karucenq zhoghovrdavarutyun։

Bayc aysorva mer orakargi tiv mek harcy Lernayin Gharabaghi dem agresian e։ Vory, iharke, uni azgayin anvtangutyan komponent։ Bayc es hamozvac em, arden asaci, vor aystegh ka mijazgayin anvtangutyan komponent, vorovhetev ays procesum sparnaliq tesnum e Rusastany, sparnaliq tesnum e Irani Islamakan Hanrapetutyuny, sparnaliq tesnum en arabakan erkrnery, sparnaliq tesnum en Evramiutyunum, sparnaliq tesnum en Miacyal Nahangnerum: Ays erkrnern unen bazmativ hakasutyunner haraberutyunnerum, bayc arnvazn steghcvac iravitchakum vardzkanneri ev ahabekichneri nergravvacutyuny, vori ajakicy Turqian e, bolori koghmic arzhananum e nuyn gnahatakani: Hetevabar, sa mijazgayin anvtangutyan orakargi harc e։

Aysor menq, iharke, amen inch anum enq ev kanenq: zhoghovrdavarutyany chvnaselu hamar, bayc razmakan drutyuny, chem karcum, te zhoghovrdavarutyan lavaguyn mijavayrn e: Hetevabar, amen inch petq e anenq: zham araj razmakan drutyan mijavayric durs galu ev bnakanon kyanqi veradarnalu hamar։ Bayc, cavoq, da miayn meznic che kaxvac։ Hamenayndeps: menq meznic kaxvac aravelaguyny kanenq dra hamar: