Arcaxi Hanrapetutyan petakan naxarar Ruben Vardanyany harcazruyc e tvel BBC-i Hard Talk cragrin:

Stiven Sakur - Paron Vardanyan, miguce mer HardTalk-i lsarany shat ban chgiti Lernayin Gharabaghi masin, sakayn Duq petakan naxarar eq mot 120 000 bnakchutun unecogh mi phoqrik taracqum ev henc hima gtnvum eq hratap tchgnazhami mej, qani vor depi Hayastan tanogh dzer camaqayin tchanaparhy nerkayums shrjaphakvac e։ Inchpisin e aysor dzer taracqum aprogh mardkanc iravitchaky:

Ruben Vardanyan - Nax uzum em shnorhakalutyun haytnel ays harcazruyci hamar։ Shat karevor e, vor ashxarhn imana, te inch e katarvum shrjaphakvac erkrum ev ayn masin, vor hazaramyakner sharunak ir hayreniqum aprogh 120 000 mard verjin 35 tarinerin payqarum e sephakan ankaxutyan hamar: Dektemberi 12-ic adrbejanakan «ekoaktivistnery» phakel en Tchanaparhy ev Adrbejani ajakcutyamb haytararum en, vor hima verahskum en tchanaparhy։ Nerkayums Karmir xachi ev rus xaghaghapahneri ognutyunic baci menq vochinch chenq stanum. aystegh unenq 30 000 erexa, dzmer e, elektraenergian sahmanaphak e, himnakanum gaz chka։ Aranc Karmir Xachi ev rus xaghaghapahneri ognutyan: snndamterq, deghorayq ev benzin mutq chi gorcum mer taracq։

Stiven Sakur - Ayspisov, Karmir xachy hetevum e, vor vorosh deghamijocner matakararven, bayc es nkateci, vor nerdrel eq ktronayin hamakarg, vorov tramadrvum e shaqaravaz, makaroneghen, brindz, dzet, bayc tpavorutyun e, vor ete aydpes sharunakvi, dzer taracqy erkar zhamanak chi karogh goyatevel, aydpes che: Mardik tarapelu en, ev da chi karogh sharunakvel։

Ruben Vardanyan - Nax ev araj Karmir Xachy miayn mek kam erku bernatar uni, nranq ev rus xaghapahnery deghorayqi kam snndi shat sahmanaphak qanakutyun karogh en berel։ Heto, duq lav cheq patkeracnum, te Arcaxi hayery vorqan uzhegh en։ Menq hazaravor tariner aystegh enq aprum ev shat vtchrakan enq tramadrvac mnalu mer hayreniqum։ Inchpes asaci, 35 tari e, inch ays krivy sharunakvum e, ev menq pashtpanum enq mer taracqy ev havatum enq mer arzheqnerin: Chnayac bolor dzhvarutyunnerin, voronc menq baxvum enq, havatum em, vor zhoghovurdy amur kkangni ev nvirvac kmna sephakan hayreniqin։

Stiven Sakur - Duq henc nor dzer taracqn anvaneciq Arcax, petq e parzabanem, vor minch Duq ayn anvanum eq Arcax, Adrbejani karavarutyuny inchpes naev mijazgayin hanrutyuny ayn anvanum en Lernayin Gharabagh, usti parzapes uzum em hstakecnel da: Indz amenashaty shphotecnum e ayn, vor Duq uneq mot 2000 rus zinvorakanner: xaghaghapahner dzer taracqum։ Hima, inchu nranq chen bacum tchanaparhy, vorpeszi matakararumnery tegh hasnen:

Ruben Vardanyan - Minch ays harcin patasxanely, uzum em asel, vor ete nayeq 80-akanneri Adrbejani Xorhrdayin Hanrapetutyan patmutyan dasagrqery, apa nuyn Arcax anuny hishatakvum e vorpes haykakan taracq։ Es voch mi nor ban chem asum, sa arden kar xorhrdayin tarinerin: adrbejanakan dprocakan patmutyan grqerum։ Isk hima veradarnanq Dzer harcin:

Arajin hertin mardik petq e haskanan, vor yndameny 2000 xaghaghapah ka, ev nranq unen zenq ogtagorcelu shat sahmanaphak mandat, ev tchanaparhy phakel en formal arumov «ekoaktivistnery», voronq qaghaqaciakan andzinq en։ Aranc patranqneri, zinvorneri qanaky qich e, nranq miayn tetev zenq unen, ev krakelu iravunq chunen։ Aha inchu, cankacac xaghaghapahi depqum misht shat dzhvar e mijamtel erku koghmeri mijev, ete hakamartutyuny sharunakvum e։

Stiven Sakur - Bayc tchshmartutyunn ayn e, paron Vardanyan, vor Vladimir Putinn ays pahin aveli mec xndirner uni: Ukraina nerxuzhumy hangecrel e paterazmi, vory sparum e Moskvayi resursnery, ev verjin bany, vor Putiny, ankeghc asac, uzum e anel, nerqashveln e Lernayin Gharabaghum hakamartutyan mej: Sa e tchshmartutyuny։ Sa Dzez shat aveli xoceli e dardznum, aydpes che։ Qani vor Rusastani ajakcutyuny chi erevum:

Ruben Vardanyan - Nax es chgitem, te inch e katarvum Rusastani voroshumneri kayacman dashtum, bayc menq sahmanaphakum unenq 2020 tvakani noyemberi 9-in Adrbejan-Hayastan-Rusastan storagrac phastatghtov, vorov adrbejanakan koghmic sahmanaphakvel er zinvorneri tvaqanaky, ayd pattcharov es chgitem inchi masin eq xosum, ugharkel en, chen ugharkel, bayc menq hetevum enq mer storagrac phastatghtin, vorn aysor Adrbejann amboghjutyamb xaxtum e։ Vorovhetev nranq erashxavorel en bac tchanaparh Arcaxum aprogh hayeri hamar aranc voreve verahskoghutyan, ev ayzhm daliovin xaxtum en։

Stiven Sakur - Ayo, es haskanum em, vor tyurymbrnum e eghel, vory nerarel eHayastani karavarutyuny, Adrbejani karavarutyuny, bayc indz hamar hetaqrqirn ayn e, vor Hayastani karavarutyuny: varchapet Nikol Phashinyani glxavorutyamb, hima xist qnnadatum e Moskvayin: aselov, vor rus xaghaghapahnery dzaxoghum en iranc partakanutyunnery: Bayc hetaqrqir e, vor Duq shat aveli qich eq qnnadatum Moskvayin, inchu:

Ruben Vardanyan - Giteq, es Dzez xorhurd em talis gal aystegh ev khaskanaq, te vorqan karevor e, erb shrjapatvac eq 10 milionanoc petutyunov, vorn uni mec phogher, shat zenq, ev menq unenq yndameny 120 000 mard: 30000 erexanerov, voronc petq e pashtpanel, ev menq unenq 2000 rus zinvor: Es uzum em Dzez ays harcy tal: patrast eq varkabekel ayn mardkanc, vovqer dzez het en ays iravitchakum։

Stiven Sakur - Ayo, es Londonum em, Duq Lernayin Gharabaghum eq, sa dzer irakanutyunn e, vorin petq e arnchveq, ev henc hima tvum e, vor voch miayn rusnery dzez chen ognum, aylev dzer haraberutyunnery Hayastani ev, masnavorapes, varchapet Phashinyani het gnalov aveli vat en darnum։ Tvum e, te Erevanum karavarutyunn ashxatanqayin haraberutyunner chuni dzez het:

Ruben Vardanyan - Es chgitem ays teghekatvutyan masin, i dep mer erkrum tiv mek pashtonatar andzy: naxagahy, misht lav haraberutyunneri mej e varchapeti het, dra hamar el chgitem, te inchi masin eq xosum, ev sa manipulacia e, vorin vstah chem, vor imast uni andradarnal mer zruyci yntacqum:

Stiven Sakur - Karcum em: karevor e ditarkel Dzer ancyaly ev inchu eq aysor Lernayin Gharabaghum։ Duq shat harust mard eq, arnvazn mek miliard dolar eq vastakel Moskvayum biznes karierayi shnorhiv, vory hamynkav Vladimir Putini verelqi het։ Sranic parz e darnum, vor Duq erkusov bavakanin mot eq: Inchu ancac tari vorosheciq hrazharvel Rusastani qaghaqaciutyunic, vory pahanjum e Putini hatuk tuyltvutyuny, heracaq Rusastanic ev vorosheciq aprel Lernayin Gharabaghum։ Inchu areciq da։

Ruben Vardanyan - Nax ev araj, es sksel em im biznesy 1991 tvakanin amerikyan nerdroghneri 35,000 dolarov: karucelov taracashrjani lavaguyn nerdrumayin banky ev Rusastan berelov bazmativ nerdroghneri ev xoshoraguyn ynkerutyunneri: Es biznesov em zbaghvel Angliayum, AMN-um։ Es tarber ynkerutyunneri xorhrdi andam em 30 erkrnerum, baregorcakan ev socialakan cragrer em irakanacrelshat vayrerum ։ Usti karcum em: Dzer ezrakacutyuny Vladimir Putini het im mtermutyan masin tchisht che, qani vor es ashxatel em ishxanutyan mas kazmogh ev masnavor hatvacum ashxatogh shat mardkanc het shat tarber erkrnerum ev ayd e pattchary, vor․․․․

Stiven Sakur - Giteq, vor OCCRP-y ev Navalni hakakorupcion himnadramy erkusn el meghadrel en Dzez, ayspes asenq, naxkinum kaskaceli biznesov zbaghvelu mej: Dzez erbeq meghadranq chi arajadrvel voreve bani hamar, ayduhanderdz, kan pndumner, te Duq eghel eq oligarxik hamakargi mas, vory verahskel e Vladimir Putiny, ev da masamb bacatrum e Dzer mec harstutyuny:

Ruben Vardanyan - Teseq, 4 tari araj ays hraparakumy eghav, ev es chors tari sharunakel em mnal ev pashtonavarel bazmativ mijazgayin kazmakerputyunnerum, inchy hastatum e, vor tchshmartutyunn imacogh mardik, indz andzamb tchanachogh mardik haskanum en, te inch en nshanakum aranc voreve apacuyci ayd bolor pndumnery, vorovhetev voch mi iravakan gorc voch mi erkrum erbeve teghi chi unecel:

Sharunakvogh meghadranqner kan tagavor Charlzi masin, Jorj Qlunii masin ev im ayl gorcynkerneri ev ynkerneri masin, vovqer ashxatel en indz het tarber naxagcerum, inchpes orinak Singapuri varchapet Li Kuan Yun ev shat ayl mardik, voronc es pativ em unecel tchanachelu ev nranc het ashxatelu: Ev da e pattchary, vor amenayn harganqov lragroghneri nkatmamb, petq e asem, vor ayd pndumnery parzapes hraparakum ein aranc voreve apacuyci, ev erkrordy, vor ayn finansakan hastatutyuny, vory es ghekavarum ei ayn zhamanak, trilion dolarneri shrjanarutyun uner ir haryur hazaravor hatchaxordneri het, ev meghadrel Ruben Vardanyanin inch-or ban anelu hamar nman er J․P․ Morgan-in kam Siti bankin meghadrelun։ Es karcum em, vor sa iskapes manipulyacia e, ev Duq evs krknum eq ays teghekutyuny…

Stiven Sakur - Es parzapes andradarnum em grarumnerin, ev Duq, iharke, karogh eq vitcharkel im asacnery։ Bayc tchshmartutyunn ayn e, vor hatkapes Adrbejany asum e, vor Duq, ev es aystegh mejberum em Baqvum gtnvogh qaghaqakan verlucaban Elxan Shahinoghluin, na asum e: Ruben Vardanyany Moskvayi mardn e Gharabaghum ev naxagahy naxapatrastum e, vor Lernayin Gharabaghum liakatar patasxanatvutyun standzneq։ Da e Dzer mtadrutyuny:

Ruben Vardanyan - Giteq, es karcum ei, vor mer qnnarkumy linelu e mardu iravunqneri, steghcvac iravitchaki ev ays agheti shurj, ev ete Duq trveq ays shaharkumnerin, hatkapes adrbejanakan koghmic tarvogh, menq karogh enq anverj xosel։ Es knaxyntrem xosel ayn masin, te inchpes e 120,000 mard goyatevum ays sarsapheli zhamanakashrjanum qaghaqakan koghmi kam «ekoaktivistneri» tchnshman tak։ I dep, xorhurd em talis stugel, te verjin 30 tarineri yntacqum bnapahpanakan qani boghoq e eghel Adrbejanum, ev qani angam e Alievi avtoritar varchakargy tuyl tvel, vor voch te hayery, ayl adrbejancinery voreve ynddimadir xosq asen ir dem։ Menq xosum enq mi bani masin, vorn iskapes zarmacnum e indz, Duq cheq shoshaphum ayn, te inch e katarvum hima aystegh ev inchpisin e Adrbejani pahvacqy։ I dep, aysor Evraxorhrdarany․․․

Stiven Sakur - Aveli qan shahagrgrvac em xosel ayn masin, te inch e katarvum, bayc ayn, inch teghi e unenum, aknhaytoren aveli mec patkeri mas e kazmum: Aveli mec patkern ayn e, vor ays taracashrjanum hakamartutyuny Hayastani ev Adrbejani mijev sharunakvum e arden shat tasnamyakner: Ayn, inch menq tesanq 2020 tvakanin, ayn er, vor adrbejanakan zorqery mec haghtanak taran, ev duq korcreciq aveli qan erku errordn ayn taracqneri, vory verahskum eiq minchev 2020 tvakany: Duq ayzhm verahskum eq mi phoqr anklav, vory mekusacvac e tntesakan shrjaphakumov, ev indz tvum e, vor dzer miak iratesakan tarberaky kam Adrbejani het qaghaqakan gorcarq knqeln e, kam zhoghovurdy, Lernayin Gharabaghi hay hamaynqy koroshi, vor iravitchakn aylevs kayun che ev kherana : Ayspisov, vorn e linelu: qaghaqakan gorcarqy, te heranaly:

Ruben Vardanyan - Nax: tuyl tveq avartel: Aysor Evraxorhrdarany hastatec naxagah Alievin ughghvac kosht ugherdzov banadzev, vorov pahanjum e apashrjaphakel tchanaparhy։ Voch miayn Rusastany, aylev Fransian, Evraxorhrdarany ev AMN-y zarmanalioren miakarciq en ays harci veraberyal, inchn iskapes shat arandznahatuk e, qani vor menq bolors gitenq, te inchpisin en aysor evropakan xoshor erkrneri ev Rusastani haraberutyunnery: Erkrordy․․․

Stiven Sakur - Paron Vardanyan, ete angam shrjaphakumy veracvi, im harcy mnum e ayn, te inchpes karogh e Lernayin Gharabaghi hamaynqy erkarazhamket kensunak linel։ Angam Hayastani karavarutyunn asum e, te sa aylevs taracqayin xndir che, nranq aylevs Lernayin Gharabaghy ankax petutyan kam Hayastani mas dardznelu havaknutyun chen nerkayacnum։ Erevanum asum en, vor sa parzapes iravunqneri harc e, dzer taracqum gtnvogh hay hamaynqi hamar mardu iravunqneri ev anvtangutyan banakcvac erashxiqneri harc e։ Amen inch hushum e, vor erkarazhamket herankarum duq linelu eq Adrbejani inqnishxan petutyan kazmum։ Duq yndunum eq da:

Ruben Vardanyan - Arcaxcinery derevs xorhrdayin shrjanum: 1988-in, asacin, vor erbeq chen lini Adrbejani kazmum։ Nranq payqarum en irenc azatutyan hamar ev arel en bolor anhrazhesht iravakan qaylery:
Ev aysor menq shat parz harc enq ughghum ashxarhin: aselov. menq unenq inqnoroshman iravunq mi petutyunum, vory xaxtum e mardu bolor iravunqnery sephakan zhoghovrdi nkatmamb: Inchpes karogh enq aprel mi erkrum, vortegh Adrbejani goyutyan 104 taruc 44 tarin mek yntaniq e ghekavarum erkiry (nax: Xorhrdayin Miutyan kazmum, isk heto: vorpes ankax hanrapetutyun),ortegh adrbejancin voreve iravunq chuni, hayeri masin: chem el xosum։ Inchpes eq patkeracnum azgayin phoqramasnutyan hamar, inchpes nranq en verabervum mez, cankacac iravunq stanalu, cankacac pashtpanutyun stanalu hnaravorutyuny: Mez hamar sa uzel-chuzelu harc che․ menq voch mi hnaravorutyun chenq tesnum: I dep, ays shrjaphakman mej verjin orinaky shat aknhayt er։ Erexanery, voronq bazhanvac ein irenc yntaniqneric ev argelaphakvac mnacel ein Hayastanum : chkaroghanalov veradarnal, vec shabat anc rus xaghaghapahneri mijocov phordzecin veradarnal Arcax, ev nranc adrbejancinery kangnecrin, stugecin, hogebanakan tchnshman entarkecin։ Aylatyacutyunn aynqan bardzr e, ayd isk pattcharov․․․

Stiven Sakur - Uzum em ayd masov hstak linel, knereq, vor yndhatum em, bayc Duq asum eq, vor Duq ev, iharke, ankeghcoren shatern en asum, vor henc hima Lernayin Gharabaghum Duq eq ghekavarum, asum eq, te Duq voch mi kerp patrast cheq voreve banakcutyun kam erkxosutyun varel naxagah Alievi ev Adrbejani karavarutyan het։

Ruben Vardanyan - Voch, menq patrast enq banakcel, ete adrbejanakan koghmy haskana, vor banakcutyuny erku koghmi hamar e։ Vorovhetev ayn, inch menq asel enq ankaxutyun pahanjelu arajin orvanic, haskanum enq ev yndunum enq, vor koghq koghqi enq aprelu, bayc menq klinenq arandzin taracq, arandzin petutyun, klinen arandzin karger ev orenqner, qani vor menq zhoghovrdavarakan erkir enq, aystegh yntrvel e 4 naxagah, menq mez chenq tesnum Adrbejani kazmum, bayc petq e aprenq nuyn taracashrjanum, menq petq e tchanaparh gtnenq: chnayac bolor dzhvarutyunnerin, gtnenq aynpisi lucum, vorn ynduneli klini erku koghmeri hamar, qani vor…

Stiven Sakur - Ayspisov, es haskanum em, vor Duq himnovin hamadzayn cheq Erevanum karavarutyan het, vov asum e, vor hima harcy Dzer zhoghovrdi hamar parzapes tchisht gorcarqi shurj banakcelu mej e, ankeghc asac: Adrbejani kazmum։ Nranq asum en, te da iravunqneri harc e, vorpeszi erashxavorvi Dzer zhoghovrdi mardu iravunqnern u anvtangutyan iravunqnery, sakayn nranq asum en, te da aylevs taracqi kam inqnishxanutyan harc che։

Ruben Vardanyan - Nax Hayastani karavarutyuny, Hayastani ghekavarn asel e, te inchpisi voroshum el Arcaxi ghekavarnery kayacnen, nranq kheteven mer yntrutyany։ Menq arden hstak azdakner enq stacel Fransiayic, Miacyal Nahangneric, Rusastanic, nranq nuynpes ays harcy phakvac chen hamarum։ Chnayac Adrbejani voghj hretorabanutyany, mijazgayin hanrutyan, MAK-i qnnarkumneri ev MAK-i Anvtangutyan xorhrdi shnorhiv parz dardzav, vor amen inch avartvac che, qani vor menq inqnoroshman iravunq unenq, qani vor etnik ztumnern argelvac en MAK-i kanonadrutyamb։ Chnayac Adrbejani bolor shaharkumnerin, patmutyunn avartvac che։ Menq havatum enq, vor unenq ankaxutyan iravunq, menq unenq sephakan hayreniqum aprelu mer iravunqy, Arcaxum aprogh mardkanc mec masy haskanum e ayn dzhvarutyunnery, voronc baxvum enq ev patrast e mnalu, pashtpanelu sephakan tuny:

Stiven Sakur - Ayo, duq asum eq, vor amen inch verjacac che, bayc ays amenum Rusastany mec gorcon e։ I nkati unem, vor Hayastany tasnamyakner sharunak apavinel e Rusastani razmakan ajakcutyany։ Hetaqrqir e, Duq inch daser eq qaghel Putini nerxuzhumic Ukraina, Duq ayd paterazmn arajin hertin dataparteli hamarum eq ev tesnum eq ayn vorpes vtangavor das Hayastani hamar։

Ruben Vardanyan - Teseq, es hima mi phoqr hanrapetutyan petnaxarar em, vortegh 120 000 mard tuzhum e adrbejanakan petutyan annaxadep gorcoghutyunneri hetevanqov, ev es patasxanatu em pashtpanel erexanerin, vovqer aprum en aystegh, ev im azgin, ev kanem amen ban nranc pashtpanutyan hamar: Dra hamar ays harcin kpatasxanem ayspes: anelu em amen ban, inch anhrazhesht e Arcaxy pashtpanelu hamar։

Stiven Sakur - Bayc da amenevin el patasxany che: Es nor harcreci dzez: kdataparteq Putini nerxuzhumn Ukraina։

Ruben Vardanyan - Ev es dzez patasxanum em: aselov, vor im zhoghovrdin pashtpanelu hamar, ays iravitchakum tchisht klini lrutyun pahpanel, vorovhetev karcum em, vor ete im patasxany Rusastani dirqoroshman, Fransiayi, AMN-i masin karogh e vnas hascnel mijazgayin ajakcutyun stanalu hnaravorutyany, sxal klini ayn meknabanel: Ayd isk pattcharov, amenayn harganq tacelov ev cav aprelov ayn ameni nkatmamb, inch teghi e unenum tarber hakamartutyunnerum, i dep, voch miayn Ukrainayum, aylev Emenum, Siriayum ev ashxarhi shat ayl vayrerum, indz ays pahin miayn hetaqrqrum e ayn, te inch klini im zhoghovrdi het, vovqer 30 oric aveli shrjaphakman mej en: aranc elektrakanutyan, aranc gazi։

Stiven Sakur - Bann ayn e, vor dzer xosqery hakasum en Hayastanum aprogh hayeri karciqin, qani vor nranq shat anhangstacac en Putini Ukraina nerxuzhman hetevanqneric: Mejberem Erevani Qaghaqakan ev tntesakan razmavarakan hetazotutyunneri kentroni ghekavar Beniamin Poghosyani xosqery, vov asum e. «Aknhayt e darnum, vor menq aylevs chenq karogh huys dnel Rusastani vra։ Ete nuynisk Rusastany amboghjakan durs ga Ukrainayi dem paterazmic, nranq karogh en phordzel Hayastany nerarel Belarusi het inch-or miutenakan petutyan mej, ev da mer uzacy che»։ Duq da uzum eq։ Inch eq karcum, Hayastani tchakatagirn u apagan Rusastani: Putini Rusastani het e։

Ruben Vardanyan - Es chem uzum xosel Hayastani masin, menq arandzin erkir enq: Es xosum em Arcaxi masin, Arcaxy chi uzum linel Adrbejani kazmum, sa parz e։

Stiven Sakur - Duq goh eq Vladimir Putinin erkarazhamket apavineluc:

Ruben Vardanyan - Inch nkati uneq։

Stiven Sakur - Es nkati unem, vor bavakanin parz e, tvum e: Duq asum eq, vor menq hima qaghaqakanapes bavakanin heru enq Erevanic, Hayastani karavarutyunic: Usti dzer miak erashxavory, dzer goyatevman miak huysy Vladimir Putinn e:

Ruben Vardanyan - Da tchisht che, naxagah Makrony hstak haytararec ev mec janqer e gorcadrum Arcaxin ajakcelu hamar: I dep, nuyn haytararutyunn arec naev Fransiayi Senati xosnaky։ Verjers AMN despann asac, vor irenq khamagorcakcen Rusastani het, kphordzen lucum gtnel: ognelu hamar Arcaxin durs gal ays vitchakic։ Usti Duq hima mi qich manipulacnum eq, qani vor arevmtyan amenamec erkrnery, inchpes, orinak: Fransian, AMN-y, nuynpes hstak ugherdz en hghum, vor irenq mtahogvac en aysteghi iradardzutyunnerov։

Stiven Sakur - Giteq, Lernayin Gharabaghum mardik kan, dzer phoqr hamaynqum, vovqer karcum en, vor Dzer: petnaxarar darnaly vat hetevanq e unecel։ Orinak, Bella Lalayann asum e, vor Duq yndamenn aveli shat xndirner eq steghcel ev vtangel eq irenc anvtangutyuny։ Vomanq uzum en, vor Duq durs gaq, ev nranq uzum en, vor Duq durs gaq henc hima:

Ruben Vardanyan - Normal e, vor mardik tarber karciqner unen։ Es erjanik mard em, vor aystegh em arcaxcineri het, amen or qaylum em phoghocnerov, tesnum em mardkanc, voronq․․․․

Stiven Sakur - Bann ayn e, vor Lernayin Gharabaghum shatery karcum en, vor Duq otar eq: Duq ekel eq Moskvayic, Duq Rusastanum harstutyun eq steghcel, Lernayin Gharabaghum cheq cnvel, cnvel eq Erevanum։ Lernayin Gharabaghum shatery mtacum en: te ardyoq Duq iskapes nerkayacnum eq irenc shahery:

Ruben Vardanyan - Im cagman masin. im tatiks e arcaxci, es verjin 20 tarva yntacqum: Arcaxum iragorcel em shurj 89 cragir, tghas aystegh carayel e banakum, aghjiks aystegh e eghel, dra hamar dzer hnchecracy parzapes spekulacia e, voronq mardik en horinum։ Iharke, sa kareli e tesnel amenureq, ev vomanq keghtot patmutyunner en horinum: aranc irakan patmutyany nayelu։ Es ekel em aystegh 2022 tvakani septemberi 2-in ev asel, vor chem tarbervum voreve mekic։ Es vochinch chem dzevacrel: ays pashtony stanalu hamar: Naxagahn e indz arajarkel, bayc es urax em mnal aystegh aranc voreve pashtoni, ev mnalu em: Indz chi hetaqrqrum: es klinem petakan naxarar te voch, es aystegh em ayn mardkanc het, vovqer im ajakcutyan kariqn unen, voch te nra hamar, vor es harust em, ayl vorovhetev uzum enq, vor Arcaxic durs mardik gitakcen, vor Arcaxy voghj hay zhoghovrdi inqnutyan banalin e, hay azgi DNT-i hazaramya pahapany:

Stiven Sakur - Parzabaneq ev amphophenq, qani vor mer zhamanaky sparvum e։ Duq voch mi tegh cheq gnum, da e Dzer ugherdzy:

Ruben Vardanyan - Kasem, vor es aystegh em mnalu im zhoghovrdi het, inchi el vor baxvenq, miasin enq baxvelu, ayo։

Stiven Sakur - Shnorhakal em HardTalk-in mianalu hamar։

Ruben Vardanyan - Shnorhakalutyun: